Football Advisory Committee

Minutes
January 7, 2008 • 10 a.m.
Robert W. Hughes FHSAA Building
Gainesville, Florida


Gary Pigott, FHSAA Football Administrator, called the meeting to order at 10 a.m. The following committee members were in attendance: John Palmer, Port St. Joe HS; Shelton Crews, FACA Chair/Godby HS (Tallahassee); Craig Damon, North Marion HS (Citra); Phillip Ziglar, Boone HS (Orlando); Mike Hayde, Fort Meade HS; and Charlie Tate, Winter Haven HS. FHSAA staff members John Stewart and Denarvise Thornton were in attendance. FHSAA interns Travis Kwok and David Sweeney were also present. Committee members Bill Kramer (Naples HS) and Jake von Scherer (Coral Springs Christian) were unable to attend.

AGENDA ITEMS

Mr. Pigott reviewed the procedure for completing the expense vouchers and e-mail addresses were collected and confirmed.

Mr. Pigott welcomed the committee to the FHSAA Office, reviewed the agenda and gave the committee an overview of the process for any recommendations from the football advisory committee. Each person present introduced himself.

Motion by Mr. Crews, seconded by Mr. Ziglar and carried (Vote: 5-0) to select John Palmer, Port St. Joe High School, as committee chairperson.

The agenda was adopted as presented. Motion by Mr. Crews, seconded by Mr. Ziglar and carried (Vote 5-0) to approve the agenda.

Discussion – Football Finals in Orlando & Sportsmanship: Dr. Stewart wanted some input from the committee about the first year of the football championships in Orlando and any suggestions to address the declining sportsmanship during high school football games. The committee was very positive about the central location of the event. Dr. Stewart requested that the committee make a recommendation with regard to “bench clearing” situations that occurred during this past season and ways to address the problem of declining sportsmanship. The area of filming unsportsmanlike incidents and injuries during the course of the game became a topic of discussion. The traditional post-game handshake is an area of concern where unsportsmanlike behavior can develop. The home/host school is not providing an accommodating atmosphere for the visiting team and fosters a less sportsmanlike environment.

2007/08 Recommendation #1: Motion by Mr. Tate, seconded by Mr. Damon and carried, Vote: unanimous (6-0), to recommend the Orange County Public Schools (OCPS) policy on the video taping of injury situations, postgame handshakes and any other unsportsmanlike incidents that may occur during a football game.
Rationale: Safety of the players and all personnel involved. See attached OCPS policy.
ATHLETIC DIRECTORS: Voted to table (8-0). Allows staff time to review and consider options. Concerns with videotaping of injuries and vague verbiage in policy.
2ND Reading FBAC: January 2009
2ND Reading ADAC: January 2009

Discussion - Review of 2006 Football Advisory Committee Minutes: The committee reviewed the five recommendations from the 2006 Football Advisory Committee meeting. Please refer to 2006 Recommendations below for details and committee action.

2006 Recommendation #1: Motion by Mr. Crews, seconded by Mr. Ziglar and carried, Vote: unanimous (7-0), to submit a football rules change to the NFHS office that will prevent “horse collaring” as submitted by Nease High School.
Rationale: Safety of the players.
ATHLETIC DIRECTORS: Voted to support 9-0.
2ND Reading FBAC: Motion by Crews, seconded by Ziglar, Vote: unanimous (6-0)
2ND Reading ADAC: Voted to support 8-0.

2006 Recommendation #2: Motion by Mr. von Scherer, seconded by Mr. Hayde and carried, Vote: unanimous (7-0), to permit one (1) “controlled scrimmage” prior to the preseason classic in the fall. “Controlled scrimmage” is defined as: no more than 3 hours, officials must be present, to be held during Week #6 (2nd week of fall practice) of preseason and must be an in-state opponent.
Rationale: Learning tool for players, coaches and officials. Other team sports play twice as many games. Classics for other team sports play 2 games whereas football classic is only one game. Non-school program opportunities for competition are much more available for other sports (Vb, Bk, Soc, Ba, and Sb).
ATHLETIC DIRECTORS: Voted to not support 6-3. Concerned with other sports requesting the same.
2ND Reading FBAC: Motion by Hayde, seconded by Tate, Vote: unanimous (6-0). Check other states procedures.
2ND Reading ADAC: Motion to support failed 4-4/split vote.

Discussion – NFHS Rules Changes: Mr. Kramer submitted agenda items concerning low blocks, the face mask penalty and muffed punts. Any NFHS rules changes must be completed and submitted to the NFHS football rules committee for review and discussion. Low blocks item came specifically from a local officials association regarding the proper NFHS mechanics on punts and kickoffs. Mr. Pigott stated he would research in the NFHS Officials Manual and forward information to Mr. Kramer.

2006 Recommendation #3: Motion by Mr. Palmer, seconded by Mr. Crews and carried, Vote: Unanimous (7-0), to submit a NFHS football rules change that will add an automatic first down penalty to the 15-yard face mask rule. NFHS rules change will be submitted to the NFHS football rules committee for review and discussion.
Rationale: Safety rules change. Further penalize this unsafe act.
ATHLETIC DIRECTORS: Voted to support 9-0.
2ND Reading FBAC: Motion by Crews, seconded by Damon, Vote: unanimous (6-0)
2ND Reading ADAC: Voted to support 8-0.

2006 Recommendation #4: Motion by Mr. Palmer, seconded by Mr. Ziglar and carried, Vote: unanimous (7-0), to submit a NFHS football rules change that will change the rule when a muffed punt rolls into the end zone. NFHS rules change will be submitted to the NFHS football rules committee for review and discussion.
Rationale: Make consistent with NFHS free kick (kickoff) muffing rules.
ATHLETIC DIRECTORS: Voted to support 9-0.
2ND Reading FBAC: Motion by Crews, seconded by Ziglar, Vote: unanimous (6-0)
2ND Reading ADAC: Voted to support 8-0.

2006 Recommendation #5: Motion by Mr. Kramer, seconded by Mr. Hayde and carried, Vote: unanimous (7-0), to double the payout, on page 20 of the FHSAA Football Manual, to schools that play in the FHSAA Football Finals.
Rationale: Many schools lose money or break even when they make it to the FHSAA Football Finals due to travel expenses. A successful year on the field should also compute to financial success.
ATHLETIC DIRECTORS: Took no action. Want more financial impact data before acting.
2ND Reading FBAC: Motion by Crews, seconded by Hayde, Vote: unanimous (6-0), Request a review of participating school payout on a regular basis.
2ND Reading ADAC: Voted to support 7-1.

Discussion – 2007 State Championships: Mr. Pigott commended the organizations in Orlando (Central Florida Sports Commission (CFSC), Orange County Public Schools, the Citrus Bowl and Central Florida Officials Association) for the exceptional job they did in hosting the FHSAA Florida Football Finals this season. The Citrus Bowl grounds crew did a great job on the condition of the turf playing 8 football games within a 9-day period on the turf. The attendance for the eight championship games in Orlando was very comparable to the overall attendance from the previous year in Miami. Several of the committee members watched the games on live television and were very complimentary of the coverage. Mr. Ziglar and Boone High School were participants in the 6A final and had a very positive experience. The current agreement between the FHSAA and the CFSC is a two-year agreement with a mutual option for another two-year extension. Both organizations were pleased with this season’s FHSAA Football Finals and are in discussion about exercising the two-year extension.

Discussion - FACA Recommendations: The Florida Athletic Coaches Association (FACA) Football Committee did not submit any items for the committee to recommend. Mr. Crews presented two items as for discussion from the FACA meetings, Football Finals in a central location and college football games infringing on Friday nights. Mr. Crews commented that the FACA and its members are very pleased with the central location that Orlando provides and encourages this type of central location for the future. Mr. Crews raised concerns about college games being played on Friday night. The USF vs. West Virginia game in Tampa this past season was provided as an example. The FACA is taking an active role in conveying their concerns to the college coaches and college conference Commissioners. Mr. Pigott reviewed previous efforts by the NFHS and FHSAA with the same “Friday night” concerns over the last 6-8 years.

Discussion – Sideline Safety Rule Experiment: The committee was supportive of the sideline safety rule experiment and expressed very few issues with this experiment. The rule keeps the sidelines cleaner for teams and officials. Mr. Pigott reviewed some of the data collected during the last two seasons. There was positive support to continuing the NFHS/FHSAA experiment during the 2008 season, unless a similar NFHS football rule is implemented for the 2008 season.

Discussion – NFHS Playoff Game Stats/Rules Proposals: The NFHS statistics for 23 playoff games were shared with the committee. The FHSAA provides playoff game stats to the NFHS Football Rules Committee each season for their review. The 2008 NFHS Football Rules proposals were provided for the committee and were reviewed for input.

Discussion – Playoff Financial Report Form: Mr. Palmer submitted this item for discussion. The current financial splits for football playoff games were reviewed. The home school should gross more money than the visiting school. After looking at possible options for a change, the committee did not make a recommendation for change.

Discussion – Middle School Spring Game: Mike Crudele from Ransom Everglades Middle School in Miami submitted a request to permit a middle school spring game each May. After discussion, the committee took no action. Spring football games are varsity only contests. This will also impact the participation on other middle school spring sports such as baseball and track.

Discussion – FHSAA Football Manual: The existing FHSAA Football Manual was reviewed. The following recommendations to the football classics/jamboree regulations and number of permitted games for players were proposed.

2007/08 Recommendation #2: Motion by Mr. Crews, seconded by Mr. Damon and carried, Vote: unanimous (6-0), to recommend a flat rate “sanction fee” instead of the current percentage for football classics and jamborees.
Rationale: “Sanction fee” instead of percentage is prevalent in other FHSAA team sports. Participating member schools should gain the same amount of revenue as FHSAA Office. In some situations, FHSAA is grossing more revenue than the participating schools after expenses.
ATHLETIC DIRECTORS: Voted to support 8-0.
2ND Reading FBAC: January 2009
2ND Reading ADAC: January 2009

2007/08 Recommendation #3: Motion by Mr. Hayde, seconded by Mr. Tate and carried, Vote: unanimous (6-0), to adjust football player regular season game limit from 10 to 11 regular season games. When sub-varsity player is moved up to the varsity team at the conclusion of junior varsity season, 11-week season can cause some incidental 10-game player violations.
Rationale: Players are dressing for only 1 game per week. Provides flexibility for coaches and more playing opportunities for student-athletes.
ATHLETIC DIRECTORS: Voted to not support 8-0. Concerns with movement of varsity players down to sub-varsity team during the open week or to beat the rival school.
2ND Reading FBAC: January 2009
2ND Reading ADAC: January 2009

Open Agenda:
Mr. Hayde: Provided three items for discussion, 1) public/private school concerns; 2) quality officials and the training of officials; 3) the impact of recruiting on all sports. Separate playoffs for public/private schools, private schools playing up a classification or a multiplying factor are all options to consider addressing the balance of an equitable playing field. Recruiting of student-athletes is a constant concern.

The meeting was adjourned at 1:45 p.m.