Football Advisory Committee

December 15, 2003 • 10 a.m.
FHSAA Headquarters
Gainesville, Florida

Gary Pigott, FHSAA Football Administrator, called the meeting to order at 10 a.m. The following committee members were in attendance: Jerry Pollard (Pine Forest H.S., Pensacola), Bobby Johns (Blountstown H.S.), Phillip Yancey (Vanguard H.S., Ocala), Tim Borcky (Lake Highland Prep, Orlando), Sam Roper (Seminole H.S., Pinellas Co.), Phil Hayford (Shorecrest Prep School, St. Pete), Frank Tudryn (Gulf Coast H.S., Naples). FHSAA staff members John Stewart and Denarvise Thornton were also present. Committee members Dan Marguriet (Flanagan H.S., Pembroke Pines) and Joey Wiles (FACA Chair & St. Augustine H.S.) were unable to attend.


Mr. Pigott reviewed the procedure for completing the expense vouchers and e-mail addresses were collected.

Mr. Pigott welcomed the committee to the FHSAA Office, reviewed the agenda and gave the committee an overview of their purpose and objective as an advisory committee. Each person present introduced himself.

The committee selected Sam Roper as committee chairperson.

It was moved by Mr. Johns, seconded by Mr. Borcky and carried (Vote: 7-0) to adopt the agenda as presented.

Discussion - Review of 2002 Football Advisory Committee Minutes: The committee reviewed the recommendations from the 2002 Football Advisory Committee meeting.

2002 Recommendation #1: It was moved by Mr. Disch, seconded by Mr. Borcky and carried, Vote: Unanimous (9-0), to develop a policy to handle situations where a school has a signed contact, but the game is not played due to the opponent not fielding a team.
Rationale: If a team/school cancels a game due to lack of participating after signing a contact, the school that wants to play a game should not be penalized.

ATHLETIC DIRECTORS: Vote: 9-0 to approve
2ND Reading FBAC: Motion by Mr. Johns, seconded by Mr. Hayford to submit (Vote: 7-0)
2ND Reading ADAC: Meet on January 7, 2004
Board of Directors:

2003 Recommendation #1: Motion by Mr. Tudryn, seconded by Mr. Borcky and carried, Vote: Unanimous (7-0), to reinstate the open date based on the results of FHSAA survey (see attached) of head football coaches.
Rationale: It would help with the shortage of officials and in some areas of the state with stadium usage. It would also increase the flexibility in scheduling that is non-existent without an 11th date. The open date provides a “healing factor” for football teams and assists with safety and conditioning concerns.

ATHLETIC DIRECTORS: Meet on January 7, 2004.
2ND Reading FBAC: Meet again in December 2004.
2ND Reading ADAC:
Board of Directors:

Discussion – 2003 State Championships: Mr. Pigott praised the organizations (GSOC & UAA) in Gainesville for the exceptional job they did in hosting the FHSAA Florida Football Finals this year. Mr. Johns attended all the games in Gainesville and commented that there was no “hospitality for coaches” as there was in Tallahassee. The committee discussed the reasons for this at length. The possibility of using the Touchdown Terrace at the University of Florida for “coaches hospitality” was discussed. Involving the FACA (Wink Barnette & Joey Wiles) in this process was also mentioned.

Discussion - FACA Recommendations: The Florida Athletic Coaches Association (FACA) Football Committee did not submit any items for the committee to review. The committee did bring up the topic of FACA all-star games. Mr. Pigott referred individuals with any questions about all-star games to contact the FACA office and Executive Director, Wink Barnette.

Discussion – Preseason Practice Regulations: The committee reviewed the “NCAA Football Preseason Model”. After discussing this model, the committee determined that the current FHSAA regulations are sufficient for the high school football programs in Florida.

Discussion – Post Game Handshake: Dr. Stewart addressed the topic of the post game handshake and the unsportsmanlike incidents that seem to be occurring on a more regular basis. The committee was in agreement that it is an area of concern. Motion by Mr. Yancey, seconded by Mr. Johns that the head coaches shake hands but that the post game 2-team line-up be eliminated to avoid unsportsmanlike situations. This procedural change will be addressed at the FHSAA football rules meetings for head coaches.

Discussion – Policy 20: The committee discussed the use of school-owned equipment during summer football camps. Most counties have a waiver signed between the school and the student-athlete for use during the summer. The committee believes this practice is a benefit for skill development and exposure to college programs. If this were prohibited, the committee thinks this would prevent many student-athletes from participating due to cost factors.

Discussion – 3 Districts per Region: Mr. Yancey submitted this item for discussion. He supports the at-large or wild card concept to stay included in the playoff process. Mr. Yancey believes it provided a valuable and creative option to the playoff scenario.

Discussion: The existing FHSAA Football Manual was reviewed. Specifically the 30-point running clock was discussed.
Discussion - 30-point running clock: Mr. Pigott brought up this topic for discussion. Many game officials support a regulation that would go into effect once the 30-point difference occurs in the second half. The current policy requires the request of the coach whose team is 30 points or more behind in the second half. The committee prefers the regulation as stated and took no action. The committee believes this time is used for the development of younger, less experienced players. The committee believes this is an ethics situation and that you cannot legislate ethics.

2003 Recommendation #2: Motion by Mr. Yancey, seconded by Mr. Borcky and carried, Vote: Unanimous (7-0), to use the “Breaking Ties” criteria listed on page 16 [item 204.02 (2)] of the Football Manual instead of the “overall win-loss percentage” criteria listed on page 16 [item 204.03 (3-c)].

Rationale: Consistent criteria used for both district tiebreaker seeding and playoff bracket seeding.

ATHLETIC DIRECTORS: Meet on January 7, 2004.
2ND Reading FBAC: Meet again in December 2004.
2ND Reading ADAC:
Board of Directors:

Open Agenda:
Discussion – Ball Boys on Own Sideline: Mr. Pollard inquired about the possibility of ball boys remaining on their team’s sideline. Concerns with safety of the ball boys and mixing with the other teams’ personnel were voiced as reasons for concern. Mr. Pigott stated he would forward this concern to the Officials’ Advisory Committee (OAC) regarding this change in mechanic.

Discussion – Use of Alabama Officials: Mr. Pollard asked about the option of using Alabama officials for his home games in Pensacola. Mr. Pigott encouraged Mr. Pollard to contact Dr. Stewart regarding this request.

Discussion – Players on Varsity & J.V.: Mr. Pollard asked about the participation rule for varsity and junior varsity players regarding the per week and per season limitations. Mr. Pigott encouraged Mr. Pollard to give this topic some additional thought and review with the FACA committee and return to the FBAC with a specific recommendation.

Discussion – Summers Camps: Mr. Roper brought of the topic of summer football camps for discussion.

The meeting was adjourned at 12:57 p.m.